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  • LazyPooky
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    #106
    How do you update the BIOS? I've never seen an update. I doubt you need to go into the BIOS to update, but I don't see anything in Windows.
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    • boredjedi
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      #107
      Originally posted by LazyPooky
      How do you update the BIOS? I've never seen an update. I doubt you need to go into the BIOS to update, but I don't see anything in Windows.
      The below link is how to do my motherboard and is how most modern motherboards do it.
      And yes it is via your bios. The UEFI way. But the manufacturers do use their own way.
      With mine it's called M-Flash.

      https://storage-asset.msi.com/files/...h_the_BIOS.pdf


      Oh forgot to mention my motherboard also has a usb slot in the back panel
      for putting in the thumb drive with the bios next to a flash button. You press
      the flash button and it will proceed with flashing the bios reading off that drive.

      That's the method I used to flash the bios when I first got the board because there
      was an issue with TPM not being recognized by Windows 11. The updated Bios
      at that time fixed the issue.


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        Lucky you. I don't have a Flash BIOS button on the back. Will check tomorrow how.
    • chuft
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      #108
      Originally posted by boredjedi
      Do the bios updates have security fixes?
      Yes, why?


      Originally posted by boredjedi
      Since that motherboard was from 2009-2022.
      They manufactured that model for 13 years?
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        That's why I said "The updates had stop after a while. Think it was around 2012. Understandable." The support stopped.

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        The current motherboard hit the market โ€ŽJuly 29, 2021. So it's probably coming up on its end of support too.
    • chuft
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      #109
      The support page for my motherboard, which has all the BIOS updates and chipset drivers, says

      "Warning:
      Because BIOS flashing is potentially risky, if you do not encounter problems using the current version of BIOS, it is recommended that you not flash the BIOS. To flash the BIOS, do it with caution. Inadequate BIOS flashing may result in system malfunction."
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      • boredjedi
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        #110
        Originally posted by chuft
        The support page for my motherboard, which has all the BIOS updates and chipset drivers, says

        "Warning:
        Because BIOS flashing is potentially risky, if you do not encounter problems using the current version of BIOS, it is recommended that you not flash the BIOS. To flash the BIOS, do it with caution. Inadequate BIOS flashing may result in system malfunction."
        All of them say that. The reason why I asked about security fixes is if the update was just say adding support for a cpu,
        I wouldn't bother. Then you have potential bug issue fixes but those are usually rare. But a security issue fix is worth an update.
        I wouldn't sweat it though. The only time I really did sweat updating something was the Wifi router. When I was replacing the
        firmware. You can brick your device doing that. But it went good. I now have a more robust firmware on the Wifi router.

        The Firmware for the router is Openwrt
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        • chuft
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          #111
          Oddly I can see the BIOS I installed when I built this back in 2019, version 11, came with a little Windows BIOS flashing utility. But the version 13 that came out last year, does not. Strange. I wonder how you are supposed to use it. Do they assume you already have the utility?
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          • chuft
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            #112
            If I recall correctly my mobo has a 3-BIOS thing with a switch so you can switch between BIOS's. I think the idea is to be able to set up multiple configurations and switch between them, but I had a BIOS update go bad and computer wouldn't boot, but I just switched to BIOS #2 with that switch and it booted.

            I can't remember if that was this mobo or the previous one. But I was definitely on the "second of my three lives" as far as bricking the mobo with BIOS disasters.
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            • chuft
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              #113
              The manual mentions two BIOS utilities, neither of which is the one they provide in their BIOS downloads.

              It also mentions the battery - I've never changed a computer battery in my life - but does not specify the type of battery, so how could I shop for a replacement? Annoying manuals.
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                I've only replaced the button cell once on my previous motherboard. The batteries are usually standard Button Cell CR2032.
            • boredjedi
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              #114
              Oh a 3 bios motherboard


              For those who are unaware:

              The term "3 BIOS" on a motherboard typically refers to a feature, often called Dual BIOS or a similar variation, that allows a motherboard to have multiple BIOS versions stored. This feature allows for BIOS restoration if one of the BIOS chips becomes corrupted or fails during an update.

              In essence, "3 BIOS" or similar features on a motherboard are a safety measure to ensure the BIOS can be restored or updated successfully, even if problems occur during the update processโ€‹
              I come across this for how different motherboard manufactures handles bios flashing. EZ flash was used on my previous motherboard which was ASUS.
              • ASUS allows users to update the BIOS using a USB FlashBackโ„ข port on the motherboard, or through the EZ Flash 3 utility.
              • MSI provides the M-FLASH utility for BIOS updating.
              • Gigabyte's Dual BIOS often allows for BIOS recovery using a USB drive.
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              • chuft
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                #115
                The little one you can download is called Efiflash.exe. But it was not included with version 13. Are they trying to say you have to do it from the BIOS screen itself? If so they should say it.
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                • LazyPooky
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                  #116
                  I performed a update flash with an Samsung Android phone once with software downloaded from a very obscure website. It clearly didn't work and the boot process got into a loop. ๐Ÿ˜„

                  I know the risks. You need to have BIOS software from the manufacture for that specific model. Otherwise it end up dead. A backup of the old BIOS software is also useful, to restore when the update goes wrong.

                  Originally posted by boredjedi
                  ASUS allows users to update the BIOS using a USB FlashBackโ„ข port on the motherboard, or through the EZ Flash 3 utility.
                  That's info for me. Now I'm curious but that's something for tomorrow.
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                  • boredjedi
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                    #117
                    Originally posted by chuft
                    The little one you can download is called Efiflash.exe. But it was not included with version 13. Are they trying to say you have to do it from the BIOS screen itself? If so they should say it.
                    https://forum.giga-byte.co.uk/index.....html#msg89013

                    Even there Rufus is referred to: "Check here for help in creating Bootable USB Pendrive: http://rufus.akeo.ie/"

                    I was just looking up the Efiflash util. Those posts are from 2014 though. Hadn't noticed that right away.
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                      What is the obsession with Rufus? I have made multiple Windows machines and never needed it.
                  • chuft
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                    #118
                    "Replace the battery when the battery voltage drops to a low level"

                    Now how would I know it's low?

                    โ€‹

                    Originally posted by LazyPooky
                    I know the risks. You need to have BIOS software from the manufacture for that specific model. Otherwise it end up dead. A backup of the old BIOS software is also useful, to restore when the update goes wrong.


                    It can go dead anyway even if the BIOS is from the manufacturer. And you can't always roll it back either. See this thread for example.

                    https://www.overclock.net/threads/gi...11478/page-580



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                    • chuft
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                      Backup of my BIOS settings....will have to look up how to do that. I think you mean CMOS?

                    • boredjedi
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                      Well that's average. The search results: Typically a CR2032 lithium coin cell battery. Lasts between 2 to 10 years, depending on usage.

                    • LazyPooky
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                      The BIOS is a writable CMOS chip AFAIK. When you need to enter the setup every time you start your PC, the battery is low/empty.
                  • boredjedi
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                    #119
                    If anyone has a brand name computer and are unsure what motherboard you have,
                    just open System on Windows and you should get this window

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                    On Windows 11 you have to use the search "system" in the search bar and click on that to get this.
                    Otherwise if you use the standard System and then go to about, you don't get this level of detail.
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                    • boredjedi
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                      #120
                      Originally posted by chuft
                      It can go dead anyway even if the BIOS is from the manufacturer. And you can't always roll it back either. See this thread for example.

                      https://www.overclock.net/threads/gi...11478/page-580
                      โ€‹


                      Not so great on the support are they.โ€‹
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