Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

[Victoria]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Yeah, good plan there Bush. That'll solve the problem... and finish killing off all those pesky Jews the Nazis couldn't get too still hangin' around in the camp while we're at it.

[Vespasian]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

Well, the American's bombed enough civilian targets, bombing Auschwitz may have done them some good.

[BingBang]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

Americans weren't the only ones bombing civilian targets in the second world war. It was a combined effort by all of the allied forces. Let's not forget how many innocent civilians were killed by the Nazis when they ruthlessly bombed the British. Why the Hell are we using modern standards to judge the tactics used in a war that happened over 60 years ago? It was a different era with a different attitude.

As far as the bombing of Auschwitz goes, you have to realize that the camp was open for a number of years. Had this killing factory been destroyed, even in its mid-point, its operations would have ceased. Granted, the killing would have gone on somewhere else. Although I am not a firm Bush supporter, I do not believe, as Xizer does, that he intended to say we should have "finished off" the rest of the Jews by bombing this facility. In fact, by reading the entire article, I do not see how anyone would have gotten this impression.

[Vespasian]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

Americans weren't the only ones bombing civilian targets in the second world war. It was a combined effort by all of the allied forces. Let's not forget how many innocent civilians were killed by the Nazis when they ruthlessly bombed the British. Why the Hell are we using modern standards to judge the tactics used in a war that happened over 60 years ago? It was a different era with a different attitude.

I'm not using modern standards. I'm just saying the American (and other Allied) bombing was caused an unnecessary amount of civilian casualties. And, their bombing was far more extensive than any by Germany or Japan, causing hundreds of thousands more civilian casualties. And just because the opposition does it, doesn't mean it is justified.

Then again, war is war.

[BingBang]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

I'm not using modern standards. I'm just saying the American (and other Allied) bombing was caused an unnecessary amount of civilian casualties. And, their bombing was far more extensive than any by Germany or Japan, causing hundreds of thousands more civilian casualties. And just because the opposition does it, doesn't mean it is justified.

Then again, war is war.

You're absolutely right. Killing is never justified. But the allies were desperate to win, no matter what.

I'm glad that they did.

[Ultra Magnus]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

As far as the bombing of Auschwitz goes, you have to realize that the camp was open for a number of years. Had this killing factory been destroyed, even in its mid-point, its operations would have ceased.

That's the same logic that was applied to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Many people, most notably the Japanese themselves, agree in retrospect that it was a sound tactic in that it probably saved many more lives than it took.
Of course, a lot of people disagree.

As for what Xizer said, I'm pretty sure that's called sarcasm.

[Mr_Gazpacho]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

Civilians=Factory workers=More tanks, bombs and airplanes for the enemy=Lots of dead guys on your side if you don't deal with them.
It's not just the ones pointing the guns that are killing people, those making them are as well. The one simple rule of the total war.

[CmdrLuke]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

That bloodthirsty Churchill should have just made a deal with Hitler instead of fighting the war.
*raises flame shield*

[Vespasian]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

That bloodthirsty Churchill should have just made a deal with Hitler instead of fighting the war.
*raises flame shield*

Britain, France, their colonies and territories across the world and Poland were at war with Germany before Churchill even came into office. He would have been foolish to offer peace, which Hitler certainly would not have accepted.

And just what made him 'bloodthirsty?'

[Mr_Gazpacho]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

And just what made him 'bloodthirsty?'

At times he considered using mustard gas. Period.

[Mr_Gazpacho]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

And just what made him 'bloodthirsty?'

At times he considered using mustard gas. Period.

I fail to see how considering to do something makes you bloodthirsty.

Much more humane than conventional arms.

[Mr_Gazpacho]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

Much more humane than conventional arms.

so you're saying actions and words are the same thing?

I'm saying that even thinking of putting a human through such misery instead of giving them the relief of a quick death through a bullet throught the head or a bomb going off right next to them sorta points away from the goodness part of the morale scale. Sure, there's a long way to the bottom, but with such arguments one could rid Adolf Hitler of all guilt, cause all he did was to say things.

[Ultra Magnus]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

[quote=Mr_Gazpacho]

Much more humane than conventional arms.

so you're saying actions and words are the same thing?

I'm saying that even thinking of putting a human through such misery instead of giving them the relief of a quick death through a bullet throught the head or a bomb going off right next to them sorta points away from the goodness part of the morale scale. Sure, there's a long way to the bottom, but with such arguments one could rid Adolf Hitler of all guilt, cause all he did was to say things.[/quote:9ed68]
Bombs only go off right next to people who are standing in the exact right (or indeed wrong) place.

I think jobe's point is that considering something and deciding against it is clearly not as bad as doing it. And you seem to be claiming it is.
With such arguments one could argue that anyone who's ever been pissed off should be charged with assault, because we've all felt like punching someone now and then.

[Mr_Gazpacho]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

I think jobe's point is that considering something and deciding against it is clearly not as bad as doing it. And you seem to be claiming it is.
With such arguments one could argue that anyone who's ever been pissed off should be charged with assault, because we've all felt like punching someone now and then.

I overargued my statement past an intended point of moderation.
Let us settle at some middle ground and say that thinking the thought is worse than not thinking the thought.
(As a sidenote, it wasn't him deciding against it, he had to be stopped by his staff.)

[wykinyan]

Re: Words of Wisdom from Bush: "We should've bombed Auschwitz"

Of course many people are going to dismiss the idea simply because President Bush said it. However, this is a debate that has been going on for over 50 years. I will also quickly add that the US could have bombed the rail lines that lead to Auschwitz without having to destroy the camp itself. Anyway, this is a pretty good if somewhat short overview of the debate.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article...schwitz-bombed