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  • chuft
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    Well I grew up with it, so that influences my opinion of course. I happen to prefer "the original series" (ST:TOS) TV show, which has a lot of great, classic science fiction with a WW2 kind of feel in terms of the ship and crew. A taste of the old America but with a 1960's influence - the ship is integrated in terms of race and gender, it was quite a progressive show for the time. Some of the stories address social concerns of the time - racism, overpopulation, nuclear war, the hippie quest to "return to the Garden" and so on. A lot of great science fiction writers contributed scripts.

    The animated series of course contained the world famous character Chuft-Captain.


    It had three seasons although it was cancelled partway through Season 3. There is a lot of advanced technology, but there are also rules - for example you can't use the transporters when the shields are up. These rules create some interesting and believable dilemmas. This series had the original crew - Captain Kirk, First Officer Spock, Dr. "Bones" McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Chekhov, Uhura etc.

    So if you wanted to have my experience with the show you would watch the three seasons of Star Trek, and then at least some of the movies. The best movies are the one above (Star Trek II), Star Trek IV, and Star Trek VI. I enjoy Star Trek III as well, has some great scenes. Star Trek The Motion Picture (I) is pretty slow going and flawed. It has some cool stuff but on the whole, it's rare to find anyone who likes it. Star Trek V is dreck, its only virtue is that I knew the woman who played the Romulan ambassador and she flirted with me. This was when I lived in Los Angeles, a year or two before the movie came out.



    There was a gap between the old TV show going off the air, in 1969 or 1970, and the late 1980's Star Trek: The Next Generation which was a TV show set decades after the original with an entirely new cast with Shakespearean actor Patrick Stewart as Captain Jean-Luc Picard. His excellent acting anchors the show, which has other memorable characters of which the most notable is Brent Spiner's Data, an android. This ran for 7 seasons I think. I haven't seen all of it but have seen a chunk of it.

    It is more realistic in many ways for the far future - there is a lot more tapping on panels and programming computers rather than flipping mechanical switches and messing with wires - but often this hurts its charm IMO. Nothing is more boring than watching someone type on a keyboard as the action sequence. It also suffers from employing a lot of technobabble to solve problems in a way the first show did not. It uses early generation computer graphics for the ships and it shows. I think the ship is ugly compared to the original.


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    Matter of taste, of course. But I prefer the top one. The other ships from the original series were also quite iconic, like the Klingon D-7 battlecruiser.

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    The ship in Next Generation does not feel like a WW2 military vessel at all, in fact there are civilians, the families of the crew members, running around on the ship including children. I found this incongruous with going to unknown parts of space and into dangerous situations. But younger people often find it appeals to their sensibilities more because it has a more modern culture (not anymore I suppose, but at the time it was a big departure from the WW2 feel). There is more emphasis on negotiations and less on fistfights and Kirk charming alien women. It is less dramatic and more realistic - the captain does not beam down in person in every landing party, he tends to stay on the ship and send an away team, which makes more sense, but ultimately Picard is a less riveting person than Kirk to watch under pressure.

    This show had a spinoff show, Deep Space Nine, which I did not like, but many people do. It also had a number of movies. Star Trek Generations, Star Trek: First Contact, Star Trek: Insurrection, and Star Trek: Nemesis. First Contact is an excellent movie by any standard, and is better if you have seen the Borg episodes of the TV show - like Star Trek II continued a story from the original show, First Contact continues a story from Next Generation. The Borg were a new villain race for the show and probably its best new addition to the setting, and the movie takes advantage of the larger budget and newer graphics to show an epic battle the TV show could not. The other movies were alright, although Insurrection, which tried to deal with the subject of terrorism, was forgettable. Generations actually has both Kirk and Picard in it, with the original actors for both, and is notable that way.

    There are other TV series besides Deep Space Nine, like Voyager. I am not really familiar with these shows, having seen only small samples of them. The list is here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...evision_series

    I think people are going to vary in their tastes depending on what they saw first and how close it was in time to when they watched it (did it feel anachronistic or not). One person's corny is another person's classic. Personally I feel the later shows got a little too touchy-feely for a space adventure, and the aliens became so similar to the humans that, other than their rubber masks, they were indistinguishable - they have the same personality types and quirks, to the point where you wonder why they are aliens at all, they just seem like human cultures and individuals, and often recognizable ones. Usually there are no good guys or bad guys, just moral relativism and morally ambiguous conflicts. Some people like this, I see it in modern games even now, but I feel it sucks the flavor out of what should be an exotic setting and makes the aliens generic - they may look different but they really aren't. They went a little too hard on the "deep down we're all the same" thing for my taste.

    The original series makes it clear we are very much not all the same, even other good guys like Vulcans are entirely different than humans. Some of the stuff set on Vulcan in both the show and the movies is absolutely riveting because of its alien-ness.

    Still there is some good stuff in there. The Borg are unapologetically sinister and this is where the new stuff shines brightest - there is a moral bright line and you know which team you are on. The Q character is genuinely funny. Data's development as an android seeking to understand humans and be like them is perhaps the best long running arc of the show and continues into the movies.

    I don't know enough about the other series to really comment on them, except to say none of them grabbed me enough to make me seek them out. I heard Deep Space Nine, whose first season I watched and disliked, gets a lot better once the "Dominion War" breaks out, and I sought out some of those eps to watch on TV, but it still was no TOS. I have watched the Original Series again and still find it awesome. The version floating around right now has been digitally touched up with some new graphics put in, which add to the visuals. It still retains that magnificent model though that makes the Enterprise so memorable compared to the CGI ships in the later shows.

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    The original series movies also use models and as you can see from that clip above, they look great. The original Enterprise has graceful lines and curves and is widely considered the coolest imaginary ship design ever made by many people. This was a ship designed by people who lived through WW2 and appreciated the lines of the aircraft of that era, you can tell.
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    • possessor
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      #47
      so.. star trek has nothing to do with star wars.?

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      • chuft
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        #48
        Originally posted by possessor
        so.. star trek has nothing to do with star wars.?
        Nothing whatsoever. Star Trek came on TV in 1967 I think. Star Wars began with the first movie, in 1977. Different settings completely.


        By the way I forgot to mention the "reboot" movies starting in 2009 with Chris Pine as Kirk instead of William Shatner. That is because they are forgettable. However I do know some millennials who like them. Matter of taste. They are their own universe, they do not have anything in common with the TV shows or the movies from the 1980s and 1990s-2002.
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          6..7?

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          What?

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          it's a long story lol
      • chuft
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        #49
        Fire phasers!


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        • LazyPooky
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          #50
          What about Battlestar Galactica 1978?
          I only saw previews and compilations on YT. It's the guy from the A-team. I watched that like 20 years ago.

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          • BRBFBI
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            #51
            That went from "I'm not sure what to tell you" to a three page essay, lol.

            Thanks for giving me the lay of the land. I'll look for TOS and give it a try.

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            • chuft
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              Note very few people alive today under age 68 would have been able to see the series in order as it aired. Almost everyone has seen random episodes here and there unless they streamed the whole thing on Paramount+ or wherever else it has been, or bought the DVDs or got them from the library. So I would not hesitate to watch them in a random order, as the show was episodic and did not have a long story arc like so many modern shows where things have to be seen in order. A few episodes might tell you if you will like the show. I would recommend:


              On racism - Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
              On the seductive danger of virtual reality - The Menagerie Parts I and II
              On the promise, and peril, of AI - The Ultimate Computer
              On Nature - The Devil in the Dark
              On nuclear war - A Taste of Armageddon
              On U-boats - Balance of Terror


              I would say you could tell whether the show will click with you or not from those.
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              • chuft
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                #53
                Originally posted by LazyPooky
                What about Battlestar Galactica 1978?
                I only saw previews and compilations on YT. It's the guy from the A-team. I watched that like 20 years ago.
                I CANNOT BE DESTROYED

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                You refer to the 1978 one season show, not the four season 2003 reboot.

                The 1978 show was an attempt to capitalize on the massive success and popularity of Star Wars. It was very expensive to make and as a result only lasted one season. The pilot actually was shown in the theaters as a 2 hour movie. The show featured a rather strange cosmology. The polytheistic religion, symbology, equipment etc of the humans was influenced by Mormon beliefs as well as ancient Egypt and Greece.

                The Cylons were originally an alien race - if and when you get to see Imperious Leader, he is clearly an alien - but this was swiftly changed to making them robots in order to tone down the violence and let the humans destroy them at every opportunity with no moral implications and a family friendly conflict. Well after the initial attack anyway - the opening attack is pretty horrific. The humans basically end up like the ancient Hebrews, or is it Mormons, wandering as a tribe through the desert (space) in search of a new home after their old one was lost - and while being pursued by their enemies.

                The big star of the show was Lorne Greene, a famous actor from the TV western Bonanza. He was the wise elder and commander of the fleet. The younger actors were primarily the fighter pilots, in a clear nod to Star Wars. The style of warfare consisted of large capital ships which launched masses of smaller craft, clearly based on and inspired by the aircraft carriers of WW2, a very romantic image at the time.

                Battlestar was clearly aimed at kids, it was not the cerebral science fiction of Star Trek or the Joseph Campbell "Hero's Journey" mythological coming-of-age story of Star Wars. As was typical in TV shows, like Baa Baa Black Sheep about the Marine fighter pilots in the Pacific in WW2, a lot of combat footage was reused in multiple episodes to save money.

                The Colonial Battlestars and their counterparts the Cylon Basestars were both iconic designs that resonated with science fiction fans.

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                And of course the fighters - Colonial Vipers and Cylon Raiders.

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                *sigh* I miss the old days of grand science fiction epics in space.




                The 2003 reboot was an entirely different kettle of fish and was aimed squarely at adults, and was gritty and dramatic enough to pull in a lot of non-sci-fi fans. At times it felt more like a soap than a sci fi show, and relied heavily on the techniques of the show Lost - ask a lot of questions, maybe answer some at some point, don't tie everything up, and have lots of cliffhangers and "who is next/who is a Cylon" type speculation to fuel social media chatter (early, 2003 style social media, but nonetheless, viral marketing). It had a lot of the flaws of modern shows, which ultimately made it a failure in my opinion (I got rid of my DVDs of it and didn't buy the last season after seeing it on TV) but still had some great computer graphics for space battles and tense moments. Sadly it also suffered from Hunger Games style shaky cam, which had been a hit in 1999's Blair Witch Project and continued to plague, er appear in productions after that like Cloverfield and The Hunger Games.


                Colonial Battlestar. Launch bays retract when making a hyperspace jump.

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                New fighters


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                The star, if you could call it that, was Edward James Olmos, who had a minor part as Gaf in Blade Runner. This time around he is playing Adama, Lorne Greene's character.

                The pilot/miniseries is actually quite good and is notable for its portrayal of the dangers to networked systems from hacking, malware, and remote kill switches as well as the role of espionage in warfare. Olmos' Adama is an old fashioned by-the-book veteran from the Cylon wars of decades before, seen as stuffy and set in his ways by contemporary civilians, and alone among the fleet he refuses to allow networked computers on board the Galactica, which has fateful consequences for humanity.
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                • chuft
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                  #54
                  If you don't want to watch the 2 hour miniseries but want to see what made the reimagined BSG combat great (realistic physics, detail etc) watch the climactic battle. Fullscreen it at 1080p or whatever.


                  Do NOT watch this if you plan to watch the miniseries/show.



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                    BSG 2003, like Star Trek II:Wrath of Khan, enjoyed an excellent soundtrack.
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                  #55
                  Meanwhile back in 1978


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                  • possessor
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                    Good CGI for 1978. But maybe I shouldn't underestimate, considering Magnificent Bodyguards (1978, dir. Lo Wei) was in 3D. Actually I've never seen it in 3d. Thank god for the 88 Films Blu-ray coming out

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                    • possessor
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                      Oh, Magnificent Bodyguards also uses Star Wars music in the Mandarin trailer. This may or may not be worth noting

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                      • chuft
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                        Originally posted by possessor
                        Good CGI for 1978.
                        That's not CGI. There was no CGI back then. The Star Trek II clip I linked used some for effects, but the ships were models.


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                        • LazyPooky
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                          Saw this picture today. Next year 60 year anniversary.

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                          • BRBFBI
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                            Originally posted by chuft
                            I would say you could tell whether the show will click with you or not from those.
                            I watched The Devil in the Dark and The Menagerie Part I and II.

                            First impression: I haven't seen such short skirts since, well. . . never mind

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                            That may seem like a funny thing to focus on, but it really was quite striking to me. I, perhaps naively, think of the mid 20th century as a time of Christian majority, when modesty reigned supreme. This not only contradicts that, but makes current day pop-culture feel puritanical by comparison. You wouldn't see this in, say, The Mandalorian.



                            SPOILERS BELOW if anyone cares.

                            The Devil in the Dark: I found it helpful to bear in mind what you said about TOS having a WWII influence. When a side character asks "Chief, is it true the Enterprise is on it's way?" one could imagine a marine holed up on a beach somewhere in the Pacific asking the same question. Having been briefed, I noticed that the alien of this episode was truly alien: an inoganic life form made of silicon. However, Spock is able to communicate with it and, a highly intelligent creature, it has human-like motivations and even emotions. Perhaps not so alien after all.

                            The theme of nature fighting back against exploiting humans has been done extensively since TOS, and I found the resolution that the native aliens could coexist peacefully with the humans mining the planet for resources to be naive and not particularly interesting.


                            The Menagerie Parts I and II: These episodes were much more interesting with the intrigue of Spock's mutiny. At over 90 minutes the two episodes together are basically a movie. I enjoyed Spock's utter manipulation of Kirk, the Admiral, and the crew of The Enterprise in service of his goals. Getting court martialed and sentenced to death was all part of his plan.

                            The aliens reminded me of The Gentlemen from Buffy - only a little more sympathetic. Their power of illusion allowed for some pretty fun drama and bluffing, with Kirk speculating that his laser actually had fired and the appearance that it was malfunctioning was merely an illusion.

                            I didn't think it had very much to say about "the seductive dangers of virtual reality." It is simply posited as bad, and Kirk, the hero, resists its temptations. Interestingly, Spock's motivation and the resolution to the episode is the return of Captain Pike, the invalid Starfleet Captain trapped in his mind, to Talos-4 so he can live out the rest of his days in the fantasy world; so there's some nuance there.


                            Pretty enjoyable. I think I'll keep watching for now.

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