International Women's Day

[LazyPooky]

Re: International Women's Day

Valentine's day is an christian day - Saint Valentine was a man. How about all the other christian days remembering Jesus and other saints, who were all men. Name one woman similar to this..

I don't care so much for International Woman's Day in the first world but it's a day we think of all the women living in those parts of the world where life is not that easy as a woman. You can figure out yourself which countries that is.


For the Animals

Oct 4 - International animal day

[moomoo]

Re: International Women's Day

Not sure if you're serious with that post there BJ.

[boredjedi]

Re: International Women's Day

Valentine's day is an christian day - Saint Valentine was a man. How about all the other christian days remembering Jesus and other saints, who were all men. Name one woman similar to this..

I don't care so much for International Woman's Day in the first world but it's a day we think of all the women living in those parts of the world where life is not that easy as a woman. You can figure out yourself which countries that is.


For the Animals

Oct 4 - International animal day

Let's not forget the mother of Jesus who is St. Mary and highly venerated and celebrated on the same day as his birth day.

As for St. Valentine no one is quite sure which one that was there are at least 3 candidates.

Life is not easy period.

Not sure if you're serious with that post there BJ.

Specifically?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/ben...eiling-myth/2/
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...estic-violence
http://intaction.org/circumcision-policy-denounced/
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...pes-infection/
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...he-rape-of-men
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/living...-on-male-rape/

[Victoria]

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You are missing the point. The purpose of Women's Day is not to highlight the plight of women in the Western world. I think most of us can agree that women have been elevated to such a high position in first world countries that they now possess more privilege than men.

It was designed to put a spotlight on the dirt poor sand nigger countries of the Middle East & Africa. You can moan on and on about how men have it rough too but our struggles pale in comparison to the struggles of women suffering under societies run by a bunch of 7th century warmongering child molester worshippers.

International Women's Day exists to remind us all of what happens when you allow conservatives to take over - especially Muslims.

The plight of women in the third world and the plight of men in the first world are two separate issues.

(Also, FYI bj, when you talk about hand rubbing you're not even trying to be subtle about the fact that you're talking about the Jews)

[SportaKandy]

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That's what she said.

[boredjedi]

Re: International Women's Day

That's what she said.

That's what I thought she said too :)

You are missing the point. The purpose of Women's Day is not to highlight the plight of women in the Western world. I think most of us can agree that women have been elevated to such a high position in first world countries that they now possess more privilege than men.

It was designed to put a spotlight on the dirt poor sand nigger countries of the Middle East & Africa. You can moan on and on about how men have it rough too but our struggles pale in comparison to the struggles of women suffering under societies run by a bunch of 7th century warmongering child molester worshippers.

International Women's Day exists to remind us all of what happens when you allow conservatives to take over - especially Muslims.

The plight of women in the third world and the plight of men in the first world are two separate issues.

I'm not missing the point at all. I know exactly what woman's day is all about. But it should not be at the expense of others. It's a much more complex issue than just
doling out equal rights laws. Take this for example:

(CNN) -- In nearly two thirds of Middle Eastern countries, there are more women than men in university, according to United Nations statistics.

"The gender gap has been closed in education in many Arab countries, which is a big achievement of recent years," said Dima Dabbous-Sensenig, Director of the Institute for Women's Studies in the Arab World at the Lebanese American University.

In Lebanon, for example, women make up 54% of university students, but only 26% of the labor force and 8% of legislators, senior officials and managers, according to the United Nations Statistics Division.

The factors driving young women to seek a university education are not also driving them into the workplace, Dabbous-Sensenig said.

"Lack of protection for women at work and harassment are among the factors that keep women out of the workplace."

"In some Gulf countries I think many women go to university to find a better husband or to fill time before they get married.

For others, university is a luxury unavailable to men who are expected to become breadwinners.

"Some men can't go to higher education because they need to make money as soon as they leave school," said Dabbous-Sensenig. "Fewer men go on to masters degrees than women because it's too many years before they can start working."

What this article doesn't state is that there are only a finite amount of jobs to an infinite amount of people looking for work. That is true globally. What's the solution? It certainly should not be by displacing some segment of the population (who might otherwise desperately need that job to live and possibly to support a family) in favor of another just because that other segment feels it's their right to a job based on their gender for these scant job opportunities.

The plight of women in the third world and the plight of men in the first world are two separate issues.

I wasn't just referring to men of the first world.

(Also, FYI bj, when you talk about hand rubbing you're not even trying to be subtle about the fact that you're talking about the Jews)

Just FYI it wasn't. That rubbing hands has been the mo of evil villains long before you or I were born or /new/ and/or /pol/ made it into a Jewish meme.

But since you brought them up

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=128872766

Edit: There is a follow up to that actually

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/wo...-standoff.html

Eh might as well toss this one in here too

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/30/bu...urs/index.html

[moomoo]

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Specifically?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/ben...eiling-myth/2/

What that source has done is pick out specific statistics that best support the point they want to make and ignore the rest. In 2010, women in the US earn on average only 81.2% of what men earn: http://www.bls.gov/cps/wlf-databook-2011.pdf (table 19)
It points out a handful of Fortune 500 combanies where the CEOs are women so as to suggest there is equality, but leaves out the fact that only 4.6% of F500 (and F1000) CEOs are women: http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/wo...s-fortune-1000
Honestly, that website doesn't seem like a very reliable news source to me, with quotes like 'I’m no defender of Zuckerberg – I’m happy to see that outspoken Obama backer facing the wrath of the liberal morals police.' It's not a source at all, really. It's a blog post that doesn't provide a link to its sources.

Also, the idea that the free market will make everything better is nice in theory but practice has shown that it doesn't.

[LazyPooky]

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..doesn't provide a link to its sources.

A statement in writings without sources or good arguements is indeed scientifically useless. In other words, it's crap.

[boredjedi]

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I agree is some part it wasn't the best link to use, I'm having internet issues and calling up web pages is let's say less than spectacular and I just grabbed that one while I could because it pointed very specific common kowlege about certain things.

What that source has done is pick out specific statistics that best support the point they want to make and ignore the rest. In 2010, women in the US earn on average only 81.2% of what men earn: http://www.bls.gov/cps/wlf-databook-2011.pdf (table 19)

I will add that the glass ceiling is not about equal pay.

A glass ceiling is a political term used to describe "the unseen, yet unbreakable barrier that keeps minorities and women from rising to the upper rungs of the corporate ladder, regardless of their qualifications or achievements."

As for tha pay issue I already covered

But they always neglect to factor in time off women take for maternity leave and life decisions many women make to go into less demanding careers to leave time for family. Correcting for those factors, there’s virtual pay equality.

It points out a handful of Fortune 500 combanies where the CEOs are women so as to suggest there is equality, but leaves out the fact that only 4.6% of F500 (and F1000) CEOs are women: http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/wo...s-fortune-1000

Yeah and? It's the same situation as I have stated above. Here's a good link I think will suffice

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ted-women.html

Also, the idea that the free market will make everything better is nice in theory but practice has shown that it doesn't.

You will find that most systems political or economic aren't perfect.

Again my stance is I'm not against equal pay, equal employment, equal advancement as long as whoever it is tows the line and is just as qualified and is there and does the job. Though I will say a really good worker should make more in a job category than those who are just getting by in their job. Only seems fair. No?

Anyway again I will state it's a complex issue. Employment is also not just about doing the job but networking, making connections etc... Then there's the issue of leaving one job for another and you have to start all over again in the new job. In the majority of cases it's not what you know but who. If you are unable or unwilling to put in the time to do those social connections with insiders, then oh well. That's just the way it is in any system from free market , capitalist, socialist and even comminist systems. It's who you know.

Quote of the Day

The glass ceiling thing is a lie. It's an agenda designed to keep sexism and hatred alive, by repeating "You are woman, therefore you are victim." mantras.

[moomoo]

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Again my stance is I'm not against equal pay, equal employment, equal advancement as long as whoever it is tows the line and is just as qualified and is there and does the job. Though I will say a really good worker should make more in a job category than those who are just getting by in their job. Only seems fair. No?

I like to think most people agree with that, but the notion that there is no problem or that we shouldn't do anything about it - not even raise awareness for it! - is as preposterous as the claim that there is no more racism.

[boredjedi]

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I like to think most people agree with that, but the notion that there is no problem or that we shouldn't do anything about it - not even raise awareness for it!

Yes if there is a problem. There is only a perceived problem with wage gap and glass ceiling pushed by agenda ridden people or organizations.

One of the best studies on the wage gap was released in 2009 by the U.S. Department of Labor. It examined more than 50 peer-reviewed papers and concluded that the 23-cent wage gap "may be almost entirely the result of individual choices being made by both male and female workers." In the past, women's groups have ignored or explained away such findings.

http://www.consad.com/content/report...l%20Report.pdf

A greater percentage of women than men tend to work part-time. Part-time work tends to pay less than full-time work.

A greater percentage of women than men tend to leave the labor force for child birth, child care and elder care. Some of the wage gap is explained by the percentage of women who were not in the labor force during previous years, the age of women, and the number of children in the home

Women, especially working mothers, tend to value “family friendly” workplace policies more than men. Some of the wage gap is explained by industry and occupation, particularly, the percentage of women who work in the industry and occupation.

Research indicates that women may value non-wage benefits more than men do, and as a result prefer to take a greater portion of their compensation in the form of health insurance and other fringe benefits.

Factors, such as work experience and job tenure, require data that describe the behavior of individual workers over extended time periods. The longitudinal data bases that contain such information include too few workers, however, to support adequate analysis of factors like occupation and industry. Cross-sectional data bases that include enough workers to enable analysis of factors like occupation and industry do not collect data on individual workers over long enough periods to support adequate analysis of factors like work experience and job tenure.

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.

[boredjedi]

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In conclusion to my case on this I offer the article where I got that Labor Dept. Report

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christ...b_2073804.html

Though the author can't seem to let get go completely the gender discrimination narrative, it's a relatively good article.

Now on a more serious note, what about the woefully low wage disparity of male models to their female counterparts?

[FireRed]

International Women's Day

There's no such thing as violence against women or women abuse.
There are more men in the world who is in pain than women.
More men get beaten, die, get tortured...

Women's pain are just attracting community attention... oh... and there is this useless, retarded 'male pride'.

[FireRed]

maybe it's only in here but Valentine's Day is for women, men buy expensive cool presents to women meanwhile they get nothing or something really stupid.
I remember my friend buying a really cool and expensive dress for his gf and the bitch giving him a stupid pair of socks...
Although that girl punched in the face a few weeks later when my friend learnt she was cheating on him.

[FireRed]

Every day is men's day.

Tell that to Turkish soldiers who are fighting against terrorist on south eastern mountains of Turkiye.