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[possessor]

I always do. I have so many physical games on CD and DVD. I also get certain models that you can rip Blu Rays from easily to store on hard drives. Not all models can do that.

Why can some models only rip DVD but some models can rip DVD AND Blu-Ray?

[chuft]

Those extra 32 mbs for prefetching code seems to be the key. The 64mb L3 cache is why the Ryzen 9 5900x makes a really good overall general performer for the price.

I was with you until you said "for the price". Ryzen 9's have 12+ cores and are very pricey. 5900x MSRP was $549 and that was in 2020, pre-2021 inflation dollars.

Since I can't even notice ray tracing in your screenshots, I am definitely not prioritizing that.

[chuft]

Ryzen 5 9600X is Zen 5 architecture and uses AM5 slot just like Ryzen 7 9800x3d, which is 2.5 times the price, so I will probably go with a 9600X. I can always upgrade the CPU later on the same mobo if for some reason I hit a game that needs it, which strikes me as very unlikely.

[boredjedi]

Why can some models only rip DVD but some models can rip DVD AND Blu-Ray?

Collusion. It gets worse when you try to rip 4k disks. It's all down to
copy protection both that's on the disks and in the drive itself.
For instance the most popular model, and the one I got, LG Electronics WH14NS40.
Firmware is upgradeable. In fact, you have to downgrade the firmware because
the newer firmware tried to stop people ripping disks. I tried do rip a 4k disk with it
and nope not a good experience. Would have taken days.

I was looking to see if the WH14NS40 was still a popular one to get and sure enough it is.
If you flash the drive with WH16NS60 1.02, seems 4k ripping is doable now.

Always important to do the research. To find out the drive's features and firmware upgradability. It takes a bit but is worth it.
Of course if you don't care about any of that and just want something to play disks, you're fine with any optical drive.

[boredjedi]

I was with you until you said "for the price". Ryzen 9's have 12+ cores and are very pricey. 5900x MSRP was $549 and that was in 2020, pre-2021 inflation dollars.

Since I can't even notice ray tracing in your screenshots, I am definitely not prioritizing that.

September 21, 2022 1 of: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core, 24-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor $387.99

Right now: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core, 24-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor $238.95

That is a steal at that price. Oh well, still even at $388 it was a pretty good buy.


Yeah, the games you play I wouldn't worry about the ray tracing.

[chuft]

I don't know, when I look at the performance

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...00X/4087vs4170

the much newer 9600X, which is cheaper, has better benchmarks.





Also much lower power consumption in 9600X.

[boredjedi]

I didn't deep dive like that yet. Whatever is giving the better performance for the price for what you intend to do with the computer, go with it.
But I would hope that the newer gen would outperform the previous gen but that's not always the case.

Though, I'd try and go for at least a non 3D-V cache chip with an L3 of 64mb rather than the standard 32mb. But that's just me and what I use the computer for.
I don't plan on upgrading for at least another year or two. I do like to keep up on things every now and again though just to get an idea of where things are headed.


I didn't realize AMD has even a newer 3D-V Cache chip.

AMD RYZEN 7 9800X3D 8-Core, 16-Thread $489 ( released on November 7, 2024)

AMD RYZEN 7 9950X3D 16-Core, 32-Thread $699 (released on March 12, 2025) Now that's a beast.

Wonder what goes into deciding the base core count. Why not an in-between with 12-Core (24-Threads).
I'm guessing, in this case, just double the fab is easier and cheaper.

[chuft]

Though, I'd try and go for at least a non 3D-V cache chip with an L3 of 64mb rather than the standard 32mb.

Can you give some examples? I am having a hard time finding a current listing of available Ryzen CPUs showing L3 cache amount. Wikipedia seems to indicate almost none of them have 64mb.

[boredjedi]

Listed right on AMD's web page for the CPUs



https://www.amd.com/en/products/proc...n-5-9600x.html


Under General Specifications





The listing for my CPU

[boredjedi]

The AMD Ryzen™ 9 9900X 12-Core, 24-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor has the L3 64mb going for $380 on Amazon.
Looks like the Zen 5 replacement of my current CPU. Higher clock speed too.

[chuft]

I was asking for a list, since clearly looking up each one, one at a time, for all possible models available for sale, could take an hour or more.

So only one example? At double the price of the 9600X. Not very appealing. In terms of performance they've virtually identical except for "workstation" whatever that is - certainly not me. And 9600X is half the power (and heat).


https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...00X/4171vs4170

[possessor]

Collusion. It gets worse when you try to rip 4k disks. It's all down to
copy protection both that's on the disks and in the drive itself.
For instance the most popular model, and the one I got, LG Electronics WH14NS40.
Firmware is upgradeable. In fact, you have to downgrade the firmware because
the newer firmware tried to stop people ripping disks. I tried do rip a 4k disk with it
and nope not a good experience. Would have taken days.

I was looking to see if the WH14NS40 was still a popular one to get and sure enough it is.
If you flash the drive with WH16NS60 1.02, seems 4k ripping is doable now.

Always important to do the research. To find out the drive's features and firmware upgradability. It takes a bit but is worth it.
Of course if you don't care about any of that and just want something to play disks, you're fine with any optical drive.

Ah. Copy protection is always a pain..

Thinking of getting Apple's USB Superdrive.

[boredjedi]

If I were to upgrade now to Zen 5, it would cost $84 more than what I paid for the Zen 4 setup in 2022.
That's not too bad.


AMD Ryzen™ 9 9900X 12-Core, 24-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor - $380

MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk WiFi Gaming Motherboard (AMD Ryzen 9000/8000/7000 Series Processors, AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, M.2 Gen5, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 40Gbps, HDMI/DP, Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 5.4, 5Gbps LAN, ATX) - $319

CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz CL36-44-44-96 1.35V Intel XMP Desktop Computer Memory - Black $92

Total - $792

[boredjedi]

ISo only one example? At double the price of the 9600X. Not very appealing. In terms of performance they've virtually identical except for "workstation" whatever that is - certainly not me. And 9600X is half the power (and heat).

Yeah, like I said whatever works for you. The motherboard and the memory will be cheaper as well.

[chuft]

That's not X3D. What is it you like about it? The 12 cores? The 64mb cache? I doubt I have a need for either. Are you doing video processing these days?

Intel XMP Desktop Computer Memory

Will that work with AMD?

6000MHz

What was that you were saying before about the real speed being half that or something? And you have to overclock to actually get 6000Mhz? What if that locks up the comp?