Computer talk OS Windows Linux MAC

[boredjedi]

So, I figured I'd go and update the MSI Center since I was on an updating kick.

I click on okay proceed with update on the update nag screen and in the middle of the install
I get this



So I abort and uninstall everything and downloaded the updated MSI directly

https://www.msi.com/Landing/MSI-Center

A lot of AI garbage in there. Maybe they could spend less time effing around with AI
and make sure their installers are working right.

So I executed the downloaded MSI Center and installed but there was nothing on the
task bar. So I went into programs and selected it from there to run. It ran still stating that
it was installing. And got the error again.

Apparently the installer wasn't deleting anything from the old install. I went to that directory
that was listed in the error window. Tried to delete the two directors but got a block stating
there's an MSI process still using them. So, I go to task manager and stop any MSI process.
There were two listed. Went back and tried deleting again and it worked.

Did a reboot just in case and everything looked good. So I ran the main installer again and then
ran the MSI in the programs list. It was finally going through and it worked.

Unbelievable. Though I'm impressed with myself as I didn't look anything up online for what the
fix was. I still have it.

[boredjedi]

The AI creeping into things. Those are optional install app.

[chuft]

Yes I see AI crap in Adrenalin but I don't know what it is supposed to do, it is very vague.

So you have both Adrenalin and an MSI specific software? Strange. I don't think there is an ASRock software for my card.

I know some recent games can use some kind of AI frame generation, not sure why it's called AI because it sounds just like the FPS upscaling a lot of TVs have been able to do for a decade (and which I hate, makes everything look high-frame-rate, like a video instead of a film, you feel like you're watching a making-of documentary instead of the movie, everything is too smooth). Basically it interpolates between two frames to make more frames in-between. I don't get the impression that the result is very well-regarded. Actually Pooky made some high FPS LT eps now that I think about it. Well these games do the same thing with game frames in the GPU. I don't know what it's called, I suspect Nvidia and AMD have proprietary names for it. Let me look it up.

Nvidia Deep Learning Super Sampling (DLSS). AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR).

List of FSR4 supported games

https://www.amd.com/en/products/grap...ted-games.html

It sounds like you have to turn it on in Adrenalin and then turn it on in the game settings. There are lower FSR's you can turn on in the game apparently without turning it on in Adrenalin first. None of them seem the type of games I will play so pretty irrelevant for me.

[boredjedi]

As for Radeon Pro Edition

AMD Software: PRO Edition is a driver suite specifically designed for professional users and workstations, emphasizing stability,
reliability, and performance in professional applications like CAD, CGI, and content creation.
It's not primarily focused on gaming, unlike the Adrenaline Edition drivers.

I think I got that because of the 3ds max and the Adobe suite it detects. The app lists them as Games. Always has come to think of it since the
complete redesign of the drivers a few years ago now.




Also explains that weird version number

[boredjedi]

Looks like there's no impact on gaming FPS wise with the Pro drivers
Also looks like the Pro Drive appeared 3 years ago in 2022.

Pro divers are more tested and more stable before they are released
compared to the Adrenalin Edition.

You can skip to 11:20 and just watch a few minutes for the conclusion of the benchmark testing
It's from 5 months ago and the most recent one I've found

[chuft]

If there's no difference then what's the point.

>I think I got that because of the 3ds max and the Adobe suite it detects.

You mean Windows downloaded it automatically? You're lucky you didn't get the "non-screenshot" version like I did. Had to uninstall it and get the real one from the AMD site, and disable Windows driver updates.

[boredjedi]

Forgot to mention The Pro Edition is Team Blue. The Adrenaline is Team Red. heh

[chuft]

So did you do something to stop Windows from updating it? Windows uses the lame version.

[boredjedi]

I've never had Windows bother me with that at all

[boredjedi]

Yes I see AI crap in Adrenalin but I don't know what it is supposed to do, it is very vague.

So you have both Adrenalin and an MSI specific software? Strange. I don't think there is an ASRock software for my card.

Yup, also has built in Hardware monitoring. No option for overlay or anything just within the MSI Center
Both the GPU and Motherboard are MSI brand.

I know some recent games can use some kind of AI frame generation, not sure why it's called AI because it sounds just like the FPS upscaling a lot of TVs have been able to do for a decade (and which I hate, makes everything look high-frame-rate, like a video instead of a film, you feel like you're watching a making-of documentary instead of the movie, everything is too smooth). Basically it interpolates between two frames to make more frames in-between. I don't get the impression that the result is very well-regarded. Actually Pooky made some high FPS LT eps now that I think about it. Well these games do the same thing with game frames in the GPU. I don't know what it's called, I suspect Nvidia and AMD have proprietary names for it. Let me look it up.

Nvidia Deep Learning Super Sampling (DLSS). AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR).

List of FSR4 supported games

https://www.amd.com/en/products/grap...ted-games.html

It sounds like you have to turn it on in Adrenalin and then turn it on in the game settings. There are lower FSR's you can turn on in the game apparently without turning it on in Adrenalin first. None of them seem the type of games I will play so pretty irrelevant for me.

Gamers have rather been revolting against the Frame generating. Calling them Fake Frames. Which they are. The AI is predicting what
the next frames will be and creating them giving a false FPS reading. The cards are not giving you true frames and true FPS. It's all fakery.
All that is for 4k or 1440p (2k I guess) gaming. A bunch of gamers are reverting back to 1080p because of that. I'm still doing 1080p.

[chuft]

https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/com...d_after_using/

[boredjedi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/com...d_after_using/

When Linux breaks you must find the right distrubtion then you must hope that someone have the same programs as you do because dependencies

Yeah, that too. I knew that just generally from the reading up.

Finally gaming on Windows when I want to play a game I launch the exe file of the game ( or click the icon if I play a game from Microsoft Store) and it launches without surprises. On Linux when I launch a game first I have to launch Lutris then I must find the right configuration for that game and when the game launches I have to wonder what will not work.

When I was running the Pop Os Linux and did the whole Wine, Lutris and Proton (Steam). I didn't run into any problems. No crashes etc.
But that was on the previous system. I haven't done the Linux on this one.

Even installing the older games on CD. Such as Gothic 2. Installed and ran fine. The Steam games too.

[LazyPooky]

This is a nice addition if you need more space, 4 M2 on one card. Not so expensive either.

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-co...card/techspec/

[chuft]

I suspect the bandwidth of the bus is the problem there. My second PCIE slot is disabled because I put a third M.2 on the mobo.

[LazyPooky]

I suspect the bandwidth of the bus is the problem there. My second PCIE slot is disabled because I put a third M.2 on the mobo.

Not all motherboards support all 4 NvME drives on the same card. It has to be able to split the PCI x16 into 4 x4 pipes and not all motherboards can do that, set in the BIOS. Well, most motherboards in the past 8-10 years can do this though. I believe the X570 chipset is necessary. And how many (Gen 3/4/5) PCI-e lanes the CPU has. A lot of consumer CPU's only support 16-24 lanes. There's the limitation. So if you have any other PCI-e cards there isn't enough space for full use of all 4 drives. That's the problem you're facing too.

This is a fully passive card. That's why it's so cheap probably. Active cards don't need so many lanes. It will work in an x8 slot with up to two drives if the host slot supports x4/x4 bifurcation, so only 8 lanes, but you need to install it in a slot that has all 16 lines enabled if you want all 4 NvME drives active.

It support only up to Gen 4 which supports 16GB/sec, I see now. A Gen 5 should support 32GB/sec. But with that higher bandwidth the NvME drives need much more cooling or else they will thermally throttle. Maybe this card has also its limitations there. Cooling problems.

[chuft]

There is what looks like some kind of fan on it. But I don't see any heat sinks on top of the drives.

So M.2's normally only use 4 lanes? My mobo has three M.2 slots, if you use the third one as I said it disables the second 16 lane PCIE slot. (First has the GPU.) I don't know how many lanes the M.2's are using.

I still haven't formatted that third M.2, it was the freebie I got that was mislabeled as 500GB but is actually 2 TB.

[boredjedi]

I still haven't formatted that third M.2, it was the freebie I got that was mislabeled as 500GB but is actually 2 TB.

You got lucky with that. Usually it's opposite. It's been a drive issue on amazon for a while now.

[chuft]

Well no, it wasn't a 500GB that I ordered and got something better. It was a freebie because NewEgg were giving it out as a "gift" or whatever they call it if you buy whatever item, I think this time it was a PSU. I posted about it much earlier. Basically the same company makes two lines of M.2's, one is smaller and one is bigger with a better controller. A set of the good ones were all mislabeled as being the crappy ones. I mean on the stick itself not just the packaging. They were basically unsellable because anyone looking at the packaging or the stick would think it was 500GB. So NewEgg was giving them out for certain item purchases. I assumed it was 500GB and was surprised when it turned out to be the 2TB better brand one. I haven't had a need for it yet and am still pondering whether it is worth the incredible hassle of putting Linux on it. Linux apparently does not play well with Secure Boot, which might make it impossible. I might just format it at some point to put stuff like videos on it, but I don't see any reason to format it yet. It would just get accessed by Windows and the drive subjected to wear for no reason.

[boredjedi]

Oh okay got it. Still not bad at all either way.