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[boredjedi]

Oh Microsoft has a debugger like WhatCrashed. WinDbg. So I gave that a shot too.





Weird thing, I couldn't load the file from within the debugger. It wouldn't give me access for some strange reason.
No matter what I did. I had to go into that minidump folder, right click, open with, WinDbg. Loaded with no problem.
Weird.

[boredjedi]

Are you overclocking? I thought you said you turned on that auto-overclock thing in the BIOS. Turn it off. I read a lot of people saying it causes instability.

Let me correct that when I said no. I forgot. The motherboard does that automatically. I never fiddled with it.
I forget what the feature is called in the bios but it will increase the CPU clock speed if it needs
to. Making all the proper adjustments (supposedly). it'll go from the base speed to a little under
the max overclock speed for this CPU. I can set it for a specific speed manually and making all
the other adjustments to voltage and whatnot for that speed.

[boredjedi]

That's it. Precision Boost Overdrive. Everything on the mobo is factory default except for
selecting the OC of the memory to run at the rated speed "A-XMP Profile 1" highlighted in red towards the top left.



I could turn it off and see happens let it run at the base CPU speed. I'll give that a shot after I get more BSODs.

[boredjedi]

How odd is that. Taking a pic of the bios exactly a year I updated the bios 09/02/2024.

[chuft]

Not sure what you mean automatically. It should not overclock unless you turn that on. Do you have AMD EXPO on? I would go in there and make sure all overclocking, manual power curves etc are turned off.

[chuft]

Wait what. XMP is for Intel boards. You are using AMD Ryzen. The heck are you doing with XMP turned on.

[boredjedi]

Wait what. XMP is for Intel boards. You are using AMD Ryzen. The heck are you doing with XMP turned on.

I think we've talked about this before. AMD adopted it as well.

While Intel XMP (Extreme Memory Profile) is the standard, AMD platforms now primarily use EXPO (Extended Profiles for Overclocking) for high-speed RAM, or their own version labeled as XMP/AXMP on some boards. To enable these features on an AMD system, enter your BIOS, find the memory or overclocking settings, select the profile (XMP, AXMP, or EXPO), save the changes, and restart your PC to unlock your RAM's full advertised performance.

Maybe the newer gen motherboards might have updated to EXPO. I dunno I didn't look.
But this AMD Mobo has it listed as XMP.

[boredjedi]

Not sure what you mean automatically. It should not overclock unless you turn that on.

Standard feature. I remember not long Intel was doing the same thing. Out of the box boosting when needed.
The only problem? The voltage wasn't being set right.

I remember watching this video and a few others


Motherboard Default settings could be COOKING your CPU!

Skip 0:10 - 0:37

My CPU comes overclock unlocked. I think your CPU does too.
I'm not having any thermal issues.

[boredjedi]

Also note 2:33 - 2:44

[chuft]

Why are you linking one about Intel?

[chuft]

Not gonna watch all that. He says it's for Intel not AMD. And he is "loading optimized defaults." That is not leaving it alone.

Mine did not come with any overclocking turned on. EXPO is off. I am not sure what you mean by "overclock unlocked" CPU. The mobo is where you do the overclocking (which I am not doing).

Anyway just turn off your XMP or whatever it is called on yours. It causes instability which you definitely have.

[boredjedi]

Not sure what you mean automatically. It should not overclock unless you turn that on. Do you have AMD EXPO on? I would go in there and make sure all overclocking, manual power curves etc are turned off.

"The motherboard does that automatically." all set default (on my mobo Precision Boosting was all set to Auto) out of the box. AMD calls it precision boost and whatever values are programmed into
the bios that it uses for the Precision Boosting. Intel does it too. Hence that video. Both Intel and AMD system will have that set auto by default (in the past).
It's boosting the CPU for demanding tasks and reverting back at idle or not to much demand. It's not a permanent OC.

Not gonna watch all that. He says it's for Intel not AMD. And he is "loading optimized defaults." That is not leaving it alone.

I don't know what Intel calls it but AMD it's auto. There is no optimized option. Not on this board anyway. He did say it's the bios default settings which means auto. He's messed
with the mother board many times in his video so I don't know what the BIOS settings were out of the box.

Mine did not come with any overclocking turned on. EXPO is off. I am not sure what you mean by "overclock unlocked" CPU. The mobo is where you do the overclocking (which I am not doing).

Anyway just turn off your XMP or whatever it is called on yours. It causes instability which you definitely have.

That's because you have the newer gen. I haven't clue how the Precision Boosting is set with those. Yet. They seem to have changed
it going by your comment.

So it is EXPO now. I don't have EXPO. It's XMP on this Mobo. Look at my pic and the memory stick icon on it.

I do believe I have done that in the past and I vaguely remember still getting the BSODs. Could be it's not setting voltage right.
But the Hwinfo tells otherwise. I can try it again whenever I get around to it once I go through the new round of BSODs for the crash report analyzing.


As for the "overclock unlocked", not all CPUs come or came unlocked for Overclocking. Okay, seems that Intel still does that but all AMD chips now are Unlocked.
Like my old x4 955 it was one of the chips that came unlocked for overclocking. Not all AMD chips back then were. I also got it for the performance other
than the overclocking. Heck, it lasted me 13 years from 2009 to 2022.

[boredjedi]

The MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI motherboard supports 3200MHz memory, both by default (JEDEC standard) and at higher speeds (up to 4000+ MHz) via an overclocked A-XMP profile, depending on the specific AMD Ryzen processor installed. To achieve the 3200MHz speed, you can use the motherboard's A-XMP feature to load the optimal settings stored on your RAM modules.

To ensure your memory runs at its maximum potential, you can use the A-XMP (AMD's version of Intel's XMP profile) feature in the BIOS. This will automatically set the correct speed, timings, and voltage for your RAM, with 3200MHz often being the default profile for many kits.

I check both the CPU and the Mobo and they do support 3200mhz with ease. I did turn off the XMP profile and it defaulted to 2133mhz.
Weird, I thought when I first installed the memory it showed 1600mhz before turning on the XMP.

Did find this though

Why is my RAM showing at 1600MHz frequency when I bought 3200Mhz one?


Either because you didn’t enable XMP, or because your CPU and motherboard don’t support speeds above 2133MHz.

There are two RAM speed standards: JEDEC (Joint Electron Device Engineering Council) and XMP (eXtreme Memory Profile).

The overwhelming majority of 3200MHz RAM kits have a default JEDEC speed of 2133MHz, while the 3200MHz speed needs to be enabled in the motherboard’s BIOS. This is because many CPUs and motherboards (especially old and low-end models) are not able to support memory at the higher speeds and lower latencies than XMP enables, so by default they will run at the slower JEDEC speed to ensure compatibility (so that your PC will still be able to turn on if you use XMP RAM at speeds that your CPU and motherboard do not support).

JEDEC 3200MHz memory kits do exist, but they are rare, and also have very high latency, which means they’re not as fast as XMP 3200MHz memory kits.

Not all motherboards and CPUs are compatible with XMP, and even if they are, not all will be able to run at 3200MHz. Some XMP RAM kits have multiple different XMP profiles for different memory frequencies, so that the user can choose a slower option (but still faster than JEDEC) if the fastest option fails to boot.

If you have a Ryzen CPU on any motherboard, it should support XMP up to 3200MHz, but if it’s a first or second-generation Ryzen CPU the integrated memory controller might not be good enough to run at this speed (try using a slower profile, or manually set it to 3000MHz if 3200MHz doesn’t work).

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-my-RAM-...ht-3200Mhz-one

I don't have a low end mother board nor CPU.
I should be able to run this memory at 3200mhz with no problem using the XMP.

I'll leave it on the 2133 for a day or two see what happens. Can't hurt. I just
don't remember if I went though looking into all this before yet.


Anyway this is the memory





My brain is starting to get tired now

[boredjedi]

That 1600 I just remembered that was the Memory DDR rate on my previous computer.

Anyway, everything else is SOP. I'm not breaking any physical laws of computing.

[boredjedi]

Just one more for tonight. Just to show how the Precision Boost is functioning properly.


All within normal specs for this CPU. Which is what I already knew.
As below.

4.9 GHz for the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X is not too high, as it falls within the expected range for the CPU's boost clock, even a bit higher than the advertised 4.8 GHz max. A clock speed of 4.9 GHz is typical for single-core or light-load situations due to AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) technology, which is designed to dynamically increase performance as needed

Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO):
The stock Precision Boost Overdrive feature enables your CPU to automatically boost to higher clock speeds than the advertised maximum when thermal and power conditions allow, especially for single-core workloads.

Single-Core vs. Multi-Core Boost:
The 4.9 GHz you see is likely on a single core or a small number of cores. In heavy, all-core loads, the clock speeds will naturally be lower, as the CPU has to manage heat and power across all 12 cores simultaneously

Now in terms of stability

Instability:
If you experience any system instability, crashes, or errors (like WHEA errors), then the boost clock might be too high for your specific cooling setup or silicon lottery.

That last part "silicon lottery" which we've talking about before. Based on the manufacturing of the chip etc... You can have a chip that won't perform well at those levels while
another can push it to 5ghz with proper cooling and stability. Depends if you lucked out.

Just leave everything stock and let Precision Boost do its thing.

https://hardforum.com/threads/5900x-...stion.2004420/

[boredjedi]

Woke up for a little bit to a rebooted computer. I had left it on.
Get to desktop and poof BSOD. I'm confused now. There doesn't
seem to be any log files for that earlier reboot. Just the one at
6:10 a.m when I got to the desktop.

The only thing I had that could possibly have caused a reboot earlier



It's that same update I posted about a few days ago.
https://forums.lazytown.eu/forum/sec...049#post210049

I guess the next step, just to completely be certain, is to turn off that Precision Boost completely. Let everything run at stock speed on this computer.
That'll be for the evening. I'm back to bed for a little bit longer shaking my head.

[chuft]

I should be able to run this memory at 3200mhz with no problem using the XMP.

Google "can xmp cause instability" and read.

When these overclockers talk about the "sweet spot" they mean in terms of performance speed. Setting the RAM speed too high can actually
make it slow down. They are not talking about stability.

I got


That 6000MHz requires EXPO. I have that turned off and am running it at



4800 cycles. Going to 6000 can cause instability.

[boredjedi]

Well I left the computer on this morning with one of those 24/7 music youtubes.
Synthwave. My usual. And it's still going. Going to reboot in a bit see what happens If I get a BSOD on the shut down.
Which happens sometimes. Still running the memory with XMP off.

The other issue when I changed to the log dump for the big file Memory.Dmp file, it also did something else.
It took away my permission to access the new minidump file and that Memory.Dmp. I had to manually add my
account name to the permission list. Meanwhile, the previous minidump logs are fine with my desktop name in the permission
list. Really Microshaft.






That dump file missing with whatever happened to make the computer reboot sitting waiting for me
to log back and when I did that's when I got that 6:12 am dump file.

It was another IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL BSOD.

I love these rabbit holes. A nice distraction.

[boredjedi]

No BSOD on shut down. Why am I getting this feeling this mind of its own computer is going into its couple of days of behaving itself again heh