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  • boredjedi
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    #61
    It's close but you can tell something is off. Ai kinda off. Not bad though.
    http://eighteenlightyearsago.ytmnd.com/

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    • Buzz
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      #62
      be patient...it's just the beginning...looking forward for a complete animated ep (^v^)
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      • possessor
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        #63
        I am NOT looking forward to AI being used for LazyTown at all!

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        • BRBFBI
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          #64
          It's an AI lookalike cosplaying as her. Somehow it just annoys me. It's stealing some of her features (her distinctive "palpebromalar goove" as I just learned it's called) while getting others completely wrong (her mouth). As irrational as it sounds it feels blasphemous. I can hardly stand to look at it.

          Originally posted by Buzz
          be patient...it's just the beginning...looking forward for a complete animated ep (^v^)
          If someday AI could perfectly replicate her - to the point you couldn't tell the difference - I'm not sure how I would feel. On the one hand it wouldn't really be her, on the other hand does it matter? It's not like I've met her. To me she's just pixels on a screen. Should it matter to me how those pixels were created if the result is the same?

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          • Buzz
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            good point...yeah they are only pixels on our screens at the end
        • Buzz
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          #65
          Originally posted by possessor
          I am NOT looking forward to AI being used for LazyTown at all!
          understandable, but think carefully... with AI, there would be the possibility of a continuation without compromises—provided, of course, that all characters and figures are perfectly recreated by AI...we all know that no one can ever replace Stefan Karl or JRM... except maybe this guy (>_<)

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          • chuft
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            #66
            Originally posted by BRBFBI
            It's an AI lookalike cosplaying as her. Somehow it just annoys me. It's stealing some of her features (her distinctive "palpebromalar goove" as I just learned it's called) while getting others completely wrong (her mouth). As irrational as it sounds it feels blasphemous. I can hardly stand to look at it.

            I don't think that's irrational. It is blasphemous. I am surprised the Pope has not weighed in on this issue. In Frank Herbert's Dune universe, after the Butlerian Jihad, a war against AIs that finally put them down, the main commandment was "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind" from the Orange Catholic Bible.

            To me it's similar to making artificial humans in a petri plate. Some things should not be allowed because they degrade and defile what it means to be human.



            Originally posted by BRBFBI
            If someday AI could perfectly replicate her - to the point you couldn't tell the difference - I'm not sure how I would feel. On the one hand it wouldn't really be her, on the other hand does it matter? It's not like I've met her. To me she's just pixels on a screen. Should it matter to me how those pixels were created if the result is the same?

            This is a serious problem with AI. It is creating a post-truth society where there will be no way to know what is true, what is genuine. People laugh at it today because it makes mistakes. Once it stops making mistakes, it becomes incredibly scary.

            I don't want every picture, every video, every piece of text leaving me with the question "Am I being lied to? Am I being fooled? Am I being manipulated?" It's bad enough today as it is.


            Trump’s ‘make peace or die’ message to Putin is deepfake. Yet it fooled Russians


            And it's dangerous.
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            • BRBFBI
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              #67
              Originally posted by Buzz

              understandable, but think carefully... with AI, there would be the possibility of a continuation without compromises—provided, of course, that all characters and figures are perfectly recreated by AI...
              That's why I say I'm not sure how I would feel. It would be tempting.

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              • MayhemTown
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                #68
                Originally posted by BRBFBI
                It's an AI lookalike cosplaying as her. Somehow it just annoys me. I can hardly stand to look at it.
                If someday AI could perfectly replicate her - to the point you couldn't tell the difference - I'm not sure how I would feel. On the one hand it wouldn't really be her, on the other hand does it matter? To me she's just pixels on a screen. Should it matter to me how those pixels were created if the result is the same?
                While they are just pixels, I feel like it matters because if AI was used to recreate her (or any character for that matter) perfectly there'd be an inherent lack of humanity and authenticity. The pixels still present something made by a real person. I also honestly think it would be pretty disturbing seeing an AI recreation of her, even if it's flawless and just like what we already have. AI pictures and videos of children bother me in general (because unrestricted technology like this has serious implications), just like AI stealing people's likeness for its generative trash that doesn't really benefit anyone in any meaningful way, y'know?

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                • boredjedi
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                  #69
                  Originally posted by MayhemTown

                  I feel like it matters because if AI was used to recreate her (or any character for that matter) perfectly there'd be an inherent lack of humanity and authenticity.
                  Have any of you watched the Black Mirror series?
                  There are two episodes that always stuck with me.

                  "Be Right Back" and "San Junipero"

                  Luckily one is on youtube.

                  However, it's age restricted.

                  Be Right Back



                  This one details a women who's boyfriend passes away. At first, she was able
                  to recreate him using Ai. Via the computer or phone. Then she gets an offer to
                  step it up to the next level. An android with the boyfriend's recreated Ai.
                  The episode starts getting good at 28:55 with the introduction of the Android
                  that looks exactly like him.

                  I can envision that is where we are headed eventually.
                  http://eighteenlightyearsago.ytmnd.com/

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                  • Buzz
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                    #70
                    Originally posted by MayhemTown

                    While they are just pixels, I feel like it matters because if AI was used to recreate her (or any character for that matter) perfectly there'd be an inherent lack of humanity and authenticity. The pixels still present something made by a real person. I also honestly think it would be pretty disturbing seeing an AI recreation of her, even if it's flawless and just like what we already have. AI pictures and videos of children bother me in general (because unrestricted technology like this has serious implications), just like AI stealing people's likeness for its generative trash that doesn't really benefit anyone in any meaningful way, y'know?
                    there are also cartoons that imitate original live-action series (e.g. Mr. Bean)...these don't feature real people either, but they are just as entertaining

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                    • MayhemTown
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                      #71
                      Originally posted by Buzz

                      there are also cartoons that imitate original live-action series (e.g. Mr. Bean)...these don't feature real people either, but they are just as entertaining
                      They're made by real people like artists animators and writers. All of which have been negatively affected by generative AI, especially illustration and writing. I would prefer a cartoon over AI remakes or continuations. LazyTown itself as a show is full of life, so even with just that i don't think using soulless AI for it is good. I doubt they would anyway. It's an idea sure, but it's not really a good one if you actually think about it.

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                      • BRBFBI
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                        #72
                        Originally posted by boredjedi

                        Have any of you watched the Black Mirror series?
                        There are two episodes that always stuck with me.

                        "Be Right Back" and "San Junipero[...]"
                        I watched Be Right Back on your recommendation. Disturbingly, the concept isn't nearly as far fetched as it was in 2013. I described the plot to my sister and she said "it doesn't sound weird enough to be a Black Mirror episode."

                        Since a couple years ago there are many services which will replicate a loved one's voice using AI.

                        From one such website: "We’d all do anything for one last conversation with a lost loved one. Now, with the innovation of generative AI for speech, nothing needs to be left unsaid. At Honoring Voices, we make it possible for your loved ones to leave behind the kind of message they’d want to be remembered for – powered by technology and compassion."

                        The pitch for their "most popular" package for $189 reads: "Sometimes, you just need to hear a little bit more to feel truly close to your departed loved one again. Using more advanced AI voice generation processing, you can spend even more time with their voice as they lovingly recount stories or simply give you the comfort you need."

                        This is literally the first half of that Black Mirror episode (up to the point where he gets a robot body)!

                        I would be furious if somebody used AI to replicate my character once I'm dead. But even if you had the persons consent before they died I'm not sure it would be healthy. Grieving is a natural part of the human experience, and hanging on in this way isn't that far off from those stories you hear about police finding a dead body in someone's house because they were too aggrieved to let it go.

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                        • BRBFBI
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                          #73
                          Originally posted by chuft

                          This is a serious problem with AI. It is creating a post-truth society where there will be no way to know what is true, what is genuine. People laugh at it today because it makes mistakes. Once it stops making mistakes, it becomes incredibly scary.

                          I don't want every picture, every video, every piece of text leaving me with the question "Am I being lied to? Am I being fooled? Am I being manipulated?" It's bad enough today as it is.

                          And it's dangerous.
                          That's irrelevant to this discussion. In this case we know it's fake. We're making a continuation of LazyTown with AI that perfectly replicates all the actors from S1 to extrapolate new content for our entertainment. (I don't necessarily disagree with you, I am playing devil's advocate.)

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                          • BRBFBI
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                            #74
                            Originally posted by MayhemTown

                            They're made by real people like artists animators and writers. All of which have been negatively affected by generative AI, especially illustration and writing. I would prefer a cartoon over AI remakes or continuations. LazyTown itself as a show is full of life, so even with just that i don't think using soulless AI for it is good. I doubt they would anyway. It's an idea sure, but it's not really a good one if you actually think about it.
                            True. To use the cartoon Buzz posted as an example, there are computer animation techniques in use there that replace human animators and make the animation "soulless" compared to hand-drawn animation. People like authenticity. Imperfections, rather than detracting, actually add to art.

                            In my imagination, AI is so good that it takes this into account. It doesn't just imitate the characters, it imitates the quirks of the actors. It would feel in every way as real and depthful as one of the original episodes.

                            If this were possible, I suppose the biggest issue to me would be that AI becomes the Mirror of Erised, as I alluded to in my earlier post. It would show each of us exactly what we want to see in such detail and intricacy that nothing else could compare. It would usher in a new era of hedonism which would be very difficult to escape. If our current media landscape is like alcohol, this AI powered future would be like heroin.

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                            • MayhemTown
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                              #75
                              Originally posted by BRBFBI


                              In my imagination, AI is so good that it takes this into account. It doesn't just imitate the characters, it imitates the quirks of the actors. It would feel in every way as real and depthful as one of the original episodes.

                              If this were possible, I suppose the biggest issue to me would be that AI becomes the Mirror of Erised, as I alluded to in my earlier post. It would show each of us exactly what we want to see in such detail and intricacy that nothing else could compare. It would usher in a new era of hedonism which would be very difficult to escape. If our current media landscape is like alcohol, this AI powered future would be like heroin.
                              If AI ever gets to that point I feel like that'd be a pretty bleak future for entertainment and those who work in it. I suppose if AI could be used in a way that adds to something rather than replace it entirely and that could be done in an ethical and non-environmentally harmful way it could be used as a tool. It reminds me of how people used to think that mo-cap would replace animators, but instead is now used as a baseline for animators to work off of. The same could be done with AI, if we ever figure out how to.
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