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  • boredjedi
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    #181
    Originally posted by chuft
    Well what is your battery voltage in HWInfo? And how old is the battery?
    Mine seems to be at a higher voltage than yours. Well it is newer.

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    I see the CPU NB/Soc is coming in at 1.104 not bad. Unfortunately, I didn't check
    what that value was before I hard set it. I'd have to go back into the bios and set
    it back to auto.



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    • boredjedi
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      #182
      Auto CPU NB/Soc sets it at 1.0v. That's still too low.

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      I'm going to set every parameter manually. The memory timing. I Read that
      it's better to set that manually as well. The Mobo manufacturers are all a bit loosey goosey
      with those timings and voltages for the most part.

      Also going to set the CPU speed to stable not dynamic. That could be causing issues as well.
      The default setting has it fluctuating from the base clock speed to the maximum for whatever
      CPU you are using. I've always seen it fluctuate from 3.7ghz (base speed) to 4.8ghz (Max overclock speed).
      That could be causing stability issues with Windows as well. I figure setting it around just 4 ghz is reasonable.
      And I'll set the voltages accordingly. Maybe a bit more 4.2 ghz. I'll see.

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      • chuft
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        #183
        Why do you think these numbers are too low? Compared to what?

        Messing with the memory timings seems a good way to render the comp inoperable.
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        • boredjedi
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          #184
          Originally posted by chuft
          Why do you think these numbers are too low? Compared to what?

          Messing with the memory timings seems a good way to render the comp inoperable.
          Because it involves overclocking. I let the motherboard handle all the parameters.
          And there's enough chatter about that and for doing it manually.

          Not to mention, it's the only thing I can come up with for why this thing
          displays random stability issues. And, looking up the Memory Management blue screen error
          lead me in that direction.

          As for the memory timings, I may not have to. have been keeping an eye on it with the HwInfo
          and the timings look fine so far for these memory sticks. It's not a big deal since my previous
          motherboard I set the timings manually. Think I had to it didn't automatically set that. Doing bios
          stuff is old hat for me from all the previous rigs.
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          • boredjedi
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            #185
            I should have stated that's if the CPU NB/Soc voltage increase doesn't work.
            Which I might be saved. I upped it to 1.15v and just that extra 0.05 volts
            seems to be fine now. In fact, the computer seems to feel better. Believe it or not.
            Keeping my fingers crossed.

            I installed the Adobe Suite 2025 finally. Now with 100% more Ai ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜„

            No crashes and no sfc /scannow issues after the install.



            Can you imagine if that's all it was
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            • chuft
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              #186
              You have lost me. I asked what you were comparing the numbers to and you responded "Because it involves overclocking." What?

              You think your computer is unstable because some setting has 1.10 volts instead of 1.15 volts? I thought you said lots of people were getting these blue screens since Win11. Why would an OS care about voltages of hardware? If the hardware has the wrong settings I would expect it to affect Win10 as well, or any OS.


              the computer seems to feel better



              No crashes and no sfc /scannow issues after the install.

              What is a sfc /scannow issue. That sounds like a command you are doing yourself.
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              • possessor
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                #187
                chuft"SFC /scannow" is a command-line tool in Windows that scans for and repairs corrupted or missing system files, according to Microsoft Support and Dell. It's a way to maintain the integrity of Windows files and ensure that the operating system functions correctly.
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                • boredjedi
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                  #188
                  Originally posted by chuft
                  You have lost me. I asked what you were comparing the numbers to and you responded "Because it involves overclocking." What?

                  You think your computer is unstable because some setting has 1.10 volts instead of 1.15 volts? I thought you said lots of people were getting these blue screens since Win11. Why would an OS care about voltages of hardware? If the hardware has the wrong settings I would expect it to affect Win10 as well, or any OS.
                  Because the motherboard manufactures have auto overclocking feature in the bios. Like a single option XMP for the memory.
                  Apparently, they have a tendency of not setting voltages right. Take for example the 2 sticks of memory I bought.
                  The base speed is 1600 but are overclockable to 3200 (the speed you are looking for). It was like that with my previous
                  motherboard but I set all the overclocking myself to get the proper memory speed.

                  I read a couple of comments where they rma'd their new motherboard and cpu and all it was
                  was voltage settings. heh.

                  A lot of people upgraded their hardware for windows 11. They aren't running the windows 10 on new hardware anymore.
                  I haven't looked up Windows 10 yet on newer hardware if there are the same issues yet. I'm more this focused on this rig right now.
                  I'm not saying Windows 11 doesn't have bugs but in this case this wasn't windows fault (I think)





                  Originally posted by chuft
                  The analogy I can come up with is an automobile. You been driving your car for too long without
                  a full and complete tune up. You get full and complete tune up and the car feels new and a dream to drive.
                  In the case of the computer, it was being voltage starved.


                  Originally posted by chuft
                  What is a sfc /scannow issue. That sounds like a command you are doing yourself.
                  It's the issue I've been whining about for a long time now. Do a chkdsk and get disk errors.
                  then run the sfc /scannow and get this

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                  The I do that whole Dism command line stuff. To clean up the issue for a while until
                  it randomly crops up again.


                  First delete the
                  C:Windows\Logs\DISM\dism.log

                  Then run
                  DISM /Online /Cleanup-image /StartComponentCleanup
                  DISM /Online /Cleanup-image /RestoreHealth
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                  • boredjedi
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                    #189
                    chuft I'll leave this here until I can look into it further. But you gave me an idea to look into.

                    I used this in the search: is windows 11 more sensitive to undervolting motherboard than windows 10

                    Yes, there have been reports that Windows 11 can be more sensitive to undervolting motherboard, particularly on MSI motherboards using Intel CPUs. A specific Windows 11 update was reported to have disabled undervolting and overvolting software enablement on these systems. This issue has also been reported to affect tools like ThrottleStop and Intel XTU.
                    I would add AMD in there as well. I do have an MSI Motherboard.
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                    • chuft
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                      #190
                      I don't overclock, been using this comp with the same hardware and Win10 since 2019 and I got that blue memory screen recently after an update, for the first time. Definitely software.

                      If you overclock then I am not surprised you are having issues. That's asking for headaches.


                      Do a chkdks and get disk errors. then run the sfc /scannow

                      But why do you do these things? I don't. Reminds me of the old skit

                      "Doctor it hurts if I keep banging my head on the wall"
                      "Well don't do that"
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                      • chuft
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                        #191
                        A specific Windows 11 update was reported to have disabled undervolting and overvolting software enablement on these systems.

                        What does this mean. I find it hard to believe Win11 would somehow disable options on the BIOS.
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                        • boredjedi
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                          I'll look into later but something about that is ringing bells with something I've read previously about Windows 11 and the bios
                      • boredjedi
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                        #192
                        I'm going to revise this post I did earlier.

                        But for....

                        Windows 11 vs Windows 10

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                        • boredjedi
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                          #193
                          Originally posted by chuft
                          I don't overclock, been using this comp with the same hardware and Win10 since 2019 and I got that blue memory screen recently after an update, for the first time. Definitely software."
                          It's weird with the memory. The memory manufacturers have been selling memory that you are forced to overclock
                          and they are advertised at the overclock speed. For example my current memory

                          CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 3200MHz CL16-20-20-38
                          It does not run natively at 3200mhz but 1600mhz. Clicking that XMP (overclocking) option in the bios
                          does the overclocking turning that 1600mhz ram set into a 3200mhz ram set.

                          It was the same with my previous computer with the 16gb sticks I bought in 2011ish.
                          I don't remember if you can buy a set of ram running at the advertised speed.

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                          • boredjedi
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                            #194
                            HwInfo reports the Memory base speed for some reason and not the overclocked speed it's running at

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                            • chuft
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                              #195
                              Maybe your overclocking attempt was an epic failure. I don't know what you mean by "forced to overclock" why are you "forced".

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                              Man the font he uses for this program is ridiculously small. I can tell he is either in his 20's or sits with his nose touching the monitor.


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                              • LazyPooky
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                                Looks like cpu-z
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